Police to march in pay protest
SEVENTY-FIVE off-duty officers from North Yorkshire Police will be joining 15,000 of their colleagues from across England and Wales for a march in London in protest over pay.
They include officers from York, Selby and Ryedale.
The rally, organised by the Police Federation, will see officers march through the heart of Westminster and give officers and their families to demonstrate their frustration at what they describe as "the Government's recent betrayal" over pay. The Police Federation says the decision by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith to pay officers the 2.5 per cent pay backdated to December 1, instead of September, effectively reduces the pay rise to just 1.9 per cent.
They say the rally is the only way police officers can legally express their anger, as they are prohibited from joining a trade union or taking any form of industrial action.
A number of MPs and Ministers, including the Home Affairs Select Committee, have shown their support for police officers by agreeing the full pay increase should be implemented. A number of the North Yorkshire officers hope to meet their constituency MPs during the day.
Mark Botham, chairman of the North Yorkshire Police Federation, said: "I can never recall a time when officers were so angry.
"We have been betrayed by a morally redundant Government. The fact that police officers in Scotland have been given the rise in full when their colleagues in England, Wales and Northern Ireland haven't is a disgrace - perhaps there is a link with the fact that many of the Labour power brokers including the Prime Minister are Scottish MPs. And then to add to the ignominy, police staff were awarded 2.5 per cent with no strings.
"All police authorities have budgeted for this, there has been no definitive evidence put forward to support ludicrous claims that this would fuel inflation - currently at 4.3 per cent.
"This award was given as a result of independent arbitration, not a secret bung binding on all sides except the Home Secretary.
"And now we are told - you can have the rise in full if you become the guinea pig for three-year pay deals. Well no - the trust has gone. That is why so many of our officers have taken time off to protest in London - mindful that they are representing their colleagues who remain behind on duty to ensure the people of North Yorkshire continue to receive a dedicated efficient public service."
Teachers have been offered a 2.45 per cent pay increase from September this year.
Mr Botham said: "This will only add to the feelings of outrage anger and de-motivation being felt by police officers in North Yorkshire as a result of the betrayal by this Government."
10:19am Saturday 19th January 2008
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CommentPosted by: bjb, York on 10:28am Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote]The fact that police officers in Scotland have been given the rise in full when their colleagues in England, Wales and Northern Ireland haven't is a disgrace[/quote]
yet another instance of how Scotland is able to benefit on the back of funding from central government.
Much has been said about there being a postcode lottery when it comes to treatment on the NHS. I am getting fed up of hearing about how much better the terms and conditions the Scots get compaired with us who generate the income for them to spend.
Maybe if they had to be self supporting things would be different, and we would be able to pay our police and nurses better pay.
The fact that police officers in Scotland have been given the rise in full when their colleagues in England, Wales and Northern Ireland haven't is a disgrace
yet another instance of how Scotland is able to benefit on the back of funding from central government.
Much has been said about there being a postcode lottery when it comes to treatment on the NHS. I am getting fed up of hearing about how much better the terms and conditions the Scots get compaired with us who generate the income for them to spend.
Maybe if they had to be self supporting things would be different, and we would be able to pay our police and nurses better pay.
Posted by: Paul G, york on 10:32am Sat 19 Jan 08
hope there's plenty of tooled-up ex-miners there to welcome em.
hope there's plenty of tooled-up ex-miners there to welcome em.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 11:02am Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote]Posted by: Paul G, york on 10:32am today hope there's plenty of tooled-up ex-miners there to welcome em.
[/quote]
I remember what you are on about. A number of attempts to overthrow lawfully elected British governments using the economic power of coal, on the instructions of the Kremlin, and which were financially supported by East Germany and Libya.
If you want to blame anyone, blame Arthur Scargill and the idiots who followed him, not the police for upholding the law and preventing widespread and violent intimidation.
Posted by: Paul G, york on 10:32am today hope there's plenty of tooled-up ex-miners there to welcome em.
I remember what you are on about. A number of attempts to overthrow lawfully elected British governments using the economic power of coal, on the instructions of the Kremlin, and which were financially supported by East Germany and Libya.
If you want to blame anyone, blame Arthur Scargill and the idiots who followed him, not the police for upholding the law and preventing widespread and violent intimidation.
Posted by: cutemloosebruce, York on 11:14am Sat 19 Jan 08
Its a disgrace. Why should councillors get a rise of 11% and the police get a pittance?
Its a disgrace. Why should councillors get a rise of 11% and the police get a pittance?
Posted by: cutemloosebruce, York on 11:15am Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote][bold]bjb[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The fact that police officers in Scotland have been given the rise in full when their colleagues in England, Wales and Northern Ireland haven't is a disgrace[/quote] yet another instance of how Scotland is able to benefit on the back of funding from central government. Much has been said about there being a postcode lottery when it comes to treatment on the NHS. I am getting fed up of hearing about how much better the terms and conditions the Scots get compaired with us who generate the income for them to spend. Maybe if they had to be self supporting things would be different, and we would be able to pay our police and nurses better pay.[/quote] You have been reading the daily mail too much mate. What about all the oil the english have taken out of scotland over they years? It supported the whole united kingdom whilst Thatcher was shutting everything down in the 80's.
bjb wrote:
The fact that police officers in Scotland have been given the rise in full when their colleagues in England, Wales and Northern Ireland haven't is a disgrace
yet another instance of how Scotland is able to benefit on the back of funding from central government. Much has been said about there being a postcode lottery when it comes to treatment on the NHS. I am getting fed up of hearing about how much better the terms and conditions the Scots get compaired with us who generate the income for them to spend. Maybe if they had to be self supporting things would be different, and we would be able to pay our police and nurses better pay.
You have been reading the daily mail too much mate. What about all the oil the english have taken out of scotland over they years? It supported the whole united kingdom whilst Thatcher was shutting everything down in the 80's.
Posted by: andyb, york on 11:26am Sat 19 Jan 08
"If you want to blame anyone, blame Arthur Scargill and the idiots who followed him, not the police for upholding the law and preventing widespread and violent intimidation."
The idiocy was shared by the government as well, both sides were spoiling for a fight.
I was working underground for a private contractor on the Selby coalfield before the strike, and had much sympathy for the NUM men, they knew what would happen to their communities when the pits were closed.
"If you want to blame anyone, blame Arthur Scargill and the idiots who followed him, not the police for upholding the law and preventing widespread and violent intimidation."
The idiocy was shared by the government as well, both sides were spoiling for a fight.
I was working underground for a private contractor on the Selby coalfield before the strike, and had much sympathy for the NUM men, they knew what would happen to their communities when the pits were closed.
Posted by: Nimby, York on 12:49pm Sat 19 Jan 08
The miners strike ended almost 23years ago where does it fit in to today's issues except in the petty minds of bigots stuck in a time warp
The miners strike ended almost 23years ago where does it fit in to today's issues except in the petty minds of bigots stuck in a time warp
Posted by: andyb, york on 1:56pm Sat 19 Jan 08
"This will only add to the feelings of outrage anger and de-motivation being felt by police officers in North Yorkshire as a result of the betrayal by this Government."
Exactly what the miners were feeling in 1984.
"This will only add to the feelings of outrage anger and de-motivation being felt by police officers in North Yorkshire as a result of the betrayal by this Government."
Exactly what the miners were feeling in 1984.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 2:30pm Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote]Posted by: Nimby, York on 12:49pm today
The miners strike ended almost 23years ago where does it fit in to today's issues except in the petty minds of bigots stuck in a time warp
[/quote]
Correct.
Posted by: Nimby, York on 12:49pm today
The miners strike ended almost 23years ago where does it fit in to today's issues except in the petty minds of bigots stuck in a time warp
Correct.
Posted by: Nimby, York on 2:53pm Sat 19 Jan 08
I wonder whether andyb has any direct knowledge of just how miners were feeling [quote]"This will only add to the feelings of outrage anger and de-motivation being felt by police officers in North Yorkshire as a result of the betrayal by this Government."
Exactly what the miners were feeling in 1984.[/quote] I have and I know that the vast majority of miners would have quietly gone back to work but were over-ruled by a violent vociferous minority which managed to destroy the industry by refusing to accept some realities. Even striking miners were dealt very shabbily by the NUM bully boys. Don't take what is printed in newspapers are accurate.
In any event this is not the same issue the police are facing.
I wonder whether andyb has any direct knowledge of just how miners were feeling
"This will only add to the feelings of outrage anger and de-motivation being felt by police officers in North Yorkshire as a result of the betrayal by this Government."
Exactly what the miners were feeling in 1984.
I have and I know that the vast majority of miners would have quietly gone back to work but were over-ruled by a violent vociferous minority which managed to destroy the industry by refusing to accept some realities. Even striking miners were dealt very shabbily by the NUM bully boys. Don't take what is printed in newspapers are accurate.
In any event this is not the same issue the police are facing.
Posted by: read-all-about-it, Haxby on 3:08pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Well, I'm with the cops and their protest on this issue.
They have been appallingly treated and betrayed by a morally bankrupt Home Secretary just because they are a soft touch and cannot take any industrial action.
And for the sceptics out there, I am not a cop!
Well, I'm with the cops and their protest on this issue.
They have been appallingly treated and betrayed by a morally bankrupt Home Secretary just because they are a soft touch and cannot take any industrial action.
And for the sceptics out there, I am not a cop!
Posted by: read-all-about-it, Haxby on 3:18pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Just a further thought:
Police Officers get 2.5% from 1st December.
PCSO's get 2.5% from 1st September.
Great move for harmony and teamwork!
Just a further thought:
Police Officers get 2.5% from 1st December.
PCSO's get 2.5% from 1st September.
Great move for harmony and teamwork!
Posted by: andyb, york on 4:07pm Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Nimby[/bold] wrote:
I wonder whether andyb has any direct knowledge of just how miners were feeling [quote]"This will only add to the feelings of outrage anger and de-motivation being felt by police officers in North Yorkshire as a result of the betrayal by this Government."
Exactly what the miners were feeling in 1984.[/quote] I have and I know that the vast majority of miners would have quietly gone back to work but were over-ruled by a violent vociferous minority which managed to destroy the industry by refusing to accept some realities. Even striking miners were dealt very shabbily by the NUM bully boys. Don't take what is printed in newspapers are accurate.
In any event this is not the same issue the police are facing. [/quote] I`m not looking for an argument, but as I said I was working on the Yorkshire coalfield both before and after the strike.
Most of the men at our pit were solidly for the strike, as were those at the other selby pits. They didn`t need any bullying to come out.
Nimby wrote:
I wonder whether andyb has any direct knowledge of just how miners were feeling "This will only add to the feelings of outrage anger and de-motivation being felt by police officers in North Yorkshire as a result of the betrayal by this Government."
Exactly what the miners were feeling in 1984.
I have and I know that the vast majority of miners would have quietly gone back to work but were over-ruled by a violent vociferous minority which managed to destroy the industry by refusing to accept some realities. Even striking miners were dealt very shabbily by the NUM bully boys. Don't take what is printed in newspapers are accurate.
In any event this is not the same issue the police are facing.
I`m not looking for an argument, but as I said I was working on the Yorkshire coalfield both before and after the strike.
Most of the men at our pit were solidly for the strike, as were those at the other selby pits. They didn`t need any bullying to come out.
Posted by: bjb, York on 4:49pm Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote]You have been reading the daily mail too much mate. What about all the oil the english have taken out of scotland over they years? It supported the whole united kingdom whilst Thatcher was shutting everything down in the 80's.[/quote]
What is it with some peolpe that they have to drag up the Daily Mail thing. is this supposed to be an insult, or what? I don't buy a daily paper.
It is British oil not Scottish. It was developed by British companies. The Scots think it is OK to use this as an argument now, when for many decades before anyone was aware of it's existance they were happy to be supported by the British taxpayer.
You have been reading the daily mail too much mate. What about all the oil the english have taken out of scotland over they years? It supported the whole united kingdom whilst Thatcher was shutting everything down in the 80's.
What is it with some peolpe that they have to drag up the Daily Mail thing. is this supposed to be an insult, or what? I don't buy a daily paper.
It is British oil not Scottish. It was developed by British companies. The Scots think it is OK to use this as an argument now, when for many decades before anyone was aware of it's existance they were happy to be supported by the British taxpayer.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 4:57pm Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote]Most of the men at our pit were solidly for the strike, as were those at the other selby pits. They didn`t need any bullying to come out.[/quote]
It was the reality elsewhere, below is as I remember it whilst protecting female officer workers and managers from a vicious and violent mob -
[quote]Nimby wrote:
I have and I know that the vast majority of miners would have quietly gone back to work but were over-ruled by a violent vociferous minority which managed to destroy the industry by refusing to accept some realities. Even striking miners were dealt very shabbily by the NUM bully boys. Don't take what is printed in newspapers are accurate.
In any event this is not the same issue the police are facing.[/quote]
But it's history I'm merely trying to put the record straight on, and d@mn all to do with police pay today.
Most of the men at our pit were solidly for the strike, as were those at the other selby pits. They didn`t need any bullying to come out.
It was the reality elsewhere, below is as I remember it whilst protecting female officer workers and managers from a vicious and violent mob -
Nimby wrote:
I have and I know that the vast majority of miners would have quietly gone back to work but were over-ruled by a violent vociferous minority which managed to destroy the industry by refusing to accept some realities. Even striking miners were dealt very shabbily by the NUM bully boys. Don't take what is printed in newspapers are accurate.
In any event this is not the same issue the police are facing.
But it's history I'm merely trying to put the record straight on, and d@mn all to do with police pay today.
Posted by: plodwatch, york on 5:56pm Sat 19 Jan 08
[quote][bold]read-all-about-it[/bold] wrote:
Just a further thought: Police Officers get 2.5% from 1st December. PCSO's get 2.5% from 1st September. Great move for harmony and teamwork![/quote] 2.5% of f*** all...is f*** all.
read-all-about-it wrote:
Just a further thought: Police Officers get 2.5% from 1st December. PCSO's get 2.5% from 1st September. Great move for harmony and teamwork!
2.5% of f*** all...is f*** all.
Posted by: andyb, york on 6:31pm Sat 19 Jan 08
"But it's history I'm merely trying to put the record straight on,"
Perhaps you should join Akuma the all knowing on Mount Olympus.
"But it's history I'm merely trying to put the record straight on,"
Perhaps you should join Akuma the all knowing on Mount Olympus.
Posted by: TooRad, york on 8:06pm Sat 19 Jan 08
I hope they're not going to march through Parliament Square, they should know that any form of protest whatsoever is banned in that particular exclusion zone. You can get well beaten up in the back a van for marching there don't you know.
Wonder if the riot police will be there to keep them all in line and give 'em a bit of a recreational kicking?
Maybe arrest them for some ridiculous made-up offence using the new "terrorism" laws because they were carrying a tin of coke or a pair of gloves or some other dangerous items?
And the surveillance teams, will they be filming the protest and keeping files on prominent marchers? And yet confiscating marchers' cameras under some dodgy "evidence act"? Will they lie about the numbers attending to make it seem like just one or two freaks and a clown? Will the tabloids report that vicious hooligans hell-bent on crazed terrorism rampaged through the streets whether or not that actually happens?
Questions, questions...
I hope they're not going to march through Parliament Square, they should know that any form of protest whatsoever is banned in that particular exclusion zone. You can get well beaten up in the back a van for marching there don't you know.
Wonder if the riot police will be there to keep them all in line and give 'em a bit of a recreational kicking?
Maybe arrest them for some ridiculous made-up offence using the new "terrorism" laws because they were carrying a tin of coke or a pair of gloves or some other dangerous items?
And the surveillance teams, will they be filming the protest and keeping files on prominent marchers? And yet confiscating marchers' cameras under some dodgy "evidence act"? Will they lie about the numbers attending to make it seem like just one or two freaks and a clown? Will the tabloids report that vicious hooligans hell-bent on crazed terrorism rampaged through the streets whether or not that actually happens?
Questions, questions...
Posted by: plaggy terry, classic cutz heworth on 12:38am Sun 20 Jan 08
[quote][bold]andyb[/bold] wrote:
"But it's history I'm merely trying to put the record straight on," Perhaps you should join Akuma the all knowing on Mount Olympus. [/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] LOL love last 4 lines. definatly comment of the week
andyb wrote:
"But it's history I'm merely trying to put the record straight on," Perhaps you should join Akuma the all knowing on Mount Olympus.
LOL love last 4 lines. definatly comment of the week
Posted by: Fellowtraveller1, Scarborough on 1:36pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Excellent comment, TooRad. As an addition, perhaps any miners attending the strike can attack the police, and when the retaliation comes,have the BBC reverse the sequence of events to make the police look like the aggressors. This would be a nostalgic tribute to how the miners at Orgreave were treated. I've mentioned Bemused's Little Orphan Annie view of police conduct before, and he has been true to form on this thread.
Excellent comment, TooRad. As an addition, perhaps any miners attending the strike can attack the police, and when the retaliation comes,have the BBC reverse the sequence of events to make the police look like the aggressors. This would be a nostalgic tribute to how the miners at Orgreave were treated. I've mentioned Bemused's Little Orphan Annie view of police conduct before, and he has been true to form on this thread.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 2:25pm Sun 20 Jan 08
[quote][bold]1984: Miners and police clash at Orgreave[/bold]
Police have used riot gear for the first time since the miners' strike began three months ago.
Forming the biggest picket of the strike so far, at least 5,000 miners gathered outside Orgreave coking plant near Sheffield.
He stood among his men as hundreds of police formed lines around the miners to try to stop them getting to the coke lorries.
Trouble broke out when pickets spotted the first convoy at about 0900 BST. They surged forward and there were running battles with police on horseback.
Smoke bombs, bricks, stones and ball-bearings were thrown and fencing torn up. Ambulance men wearing protective headgear led casualties away to safety.
Both sides pinned the blame on each other.
"We've had riot shields, we've had riot gear, we've had police on horseback charging into our people, we've had people hit with truncheons and people kicked to the ground." said Mr Scargill.
"The intimidation and the brutality that has been displayed are something reminiscent of a Latin American state."
South Yorkshire Chief Constable Peter Wright said officers had to wear protective helmets and use shields to allow the gates of the factory to remain open.
Mr Scargill is hoping to repeat the success of 12 years ago, when his pickets stopped coke deliveries at Saltley gasworks in Birmingham in his struggle to improve the lot of British miners.
But this time he seems to have failed - the 34 lorry drivers today managed to make two journeys unhindered and say they are determined to continue the coke runs. [/quote]
It must be forgotten that the miners were led by communists getting their instructions from the Kremlin, and being bankrolled by East Germany and Col Gadaffi.
The coal industry had been pretty much destroyed by the NUM anyway. NUM wage demands meant British coal could not compete with imports.
1984: Miners and police clash at Orgreave
Police have used riot gear for the first time since the miners' strike began three months ago.
Forming the biggest picket of the strike so far, at least 5,000 miners gathered outside Orgreave coking plant near Sheffield.
He stood among his men as hundreds of police formed lines around the miners to try to stop them getting to the coke lorries.
Trouble broke out when pickets spotted the first convoy at about 0900 BST. They surged forward and there were running battles with police on horseback.
Smoke bombs, bricks, stones and ball-bearings were thrown and fencing torn up. Ambulance men wearing protective headgear led casualties away to safety.
Both sides pinned the blame on each other.
"We've had riot shields, we've had riot gear, we've had police on horseback charging into our people, we've had people hit with truncheons and people kicked to the ground." said Mr Scargill.
"The intimidation and the brutality that has been displayed are something reminiscent of a Latin American state."
South Yorkshire Chief Constable Peter Wright said officers had to wear protective helmets and use shields to allow the gates of the factory to remain open.
Mr Scargill is hoping to repeat the success of 12 years ago, when his pickets stopped coke deliveries at Saltley gasworks in Birmingham in his struggle to improve the lot of British miners.
But this time he seems to have failed - the 34 lorry drivers today managed to make two journeys unhindered and say they are determined to continue the coke runs.
It must be forgotten that the miners were led by communists getting their instructions from the Kremlin, and being bankrolled by East Germany and Col Gadaffi.
The coal industry had been pretty much destroyed by the NUM anyway. NUM wage demands meant British coal could not compete with imports.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 2:26pm Sun 20 Jan 08
[quote]It must be forgotten[/quote]
NOT be forgotten!!
It must be forgotten
NOT be forgotten!!
Posted by: Fellowtraveller1, Scarborough on 4:36pm Sun 20 Jan 08
What really must not be forgotten is there was a concerted smear campaign being carried out by Thatcher and her cronies, with help from MI5, and the right wing media. What must also not be forgotten is that many police officers attended strike areas minus their badges, and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.
What really must not be forgotten is there was a concerted smear campaign being carried out by Thatcher and her cronies, with help from MI5, and the right wing media. What must also not be forgotten is that many police officers attended strike areas minus their badges, and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.
Posted by: bjb, York on 4:52pm Sun 20 Jan 08
[quote]and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.[/quote]
Otherwise known as the SPG.
and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.
Otherwise known as the SPG.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 6:06pm Sun 20 Jan 08
[quote]What must also not be forgotten is that many police officers attended strike areas minus their badges, and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.[/quote]
Rubbish your previous posts show you to be virulently anti-police, ant-establishment, and any sort of authority.
Don't re-write history which is in any case irrelevant to the story.
What must also not be forgotten is that many police officers attended strike areas minus their badges, and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.
Rubbish your previous posts show you to be virulently anti-police, ant-establishment, and any sort of authority.
Don't re-write history which is in any case irrelevant to the story.
Posted by: Fellowtraveller1, Scarborough on 11:02pm Sun 20 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Bemused[/bold] wrote:
[quote]What must also not be forgotten is that many police officers attended strike areas minus their badges, and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.[/quote] Rubbish your previous posts show you to be virulently anti-police, ant-establishment, and any sort of authority. Don't re-write history which is in any case irrelevant to the story.[/quote] Bemused - if anyone is re-writing history it is you. The miners strike was just one of the factors that affected my view of the police - and I suspect this is true of many people who bothered with the facts at that time rather than the tabloid-led distortions that were prevalent. As for my being 'against any form of authority'- sheer lunacy on your part,and I defy you to prove otherwise.
Bemused wrote:
What must also not be forgotten is that many police officers attended strike areas minus their badges, and were acting as Maggie's personal storm troopers.
Rubbish your previous posts show you to be virulently anti-police, ant-establishment, and any sort of authority. Don't re-write history which is in any case irrelevant to the story.
Bemused - if anyone is re-writing history it is you. The miners strike was just one of the factors that affected my view of the police - and I suspect this is true of many people who bothered with the facts at that time rather than the tabloid-led distortions that were prevalent. As for my being 'against any form of authority'- sheer lunacy on your part,and I defy you to prove otherwise.
Posted by: Bemused, York on 2:16pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote][bold]09/04/1984: Dozens arrested in picket line violence[/bold]
About 100 pickets have been arrested during violent clashes with police outside two working coal pits in Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire.
The so-called "flying pickets" - striking miners bussed in from other parts of the country - targeted Cresswell colliery in Derbyshire and Babbington in Nottinghamshire.
Figures suggest 46 pits are still working out of a total of 176 across the country. Miners are fighting plans to close 20 pits.
Police at Cresswell say they were taken by surprise when around 1,000 pickets descended on the colliery.
Six officers and a miner were injured in what a spokesman described as "the worst violence we have had in Derbyshire since the strike began".
Several cars belonging to working miners had their windows smashed. One miner who apparently defied the pickets and went into work had the windows of his home smashed.
[bold]21/09/1984: Maltby picket sparks violence[/bold]
Police and miners have clashed at a pit in South Yorkshire in one of the biggest mass pickets since the strike began.
At least 6,000 miners tried to stop NUM members working for a construction company entering Maltby Colliery near Rotherham.
The men are working for an outside company but were required to become members of the NUM for the duration of their contract, and the miners say they should observe picket lines.
There was a tense stand-off early in the morning as the pit-workers arrived to prevent seven construction workers entering the colliery.
Jeering
They were met by a force of 700 police officers with 500 reinforcements waiting close by - all dressed in full riot gear.
Two pickets and three officers were injured in the violence, and five miners were arrested on breach of the peace offences.
Some of the strikers tore bricks off a nearby wall to throw them at the police lines and jeered when ordered to stop.
One of the missiles hit a policeman, dislocating his shoulder.
The senior officer in charge, Chief Superintendent John Nesbitt said the picketing had been "very, very heavy and intense".
He told reporters the miners had fired an air rifle at them and used catapults to shoot marbles. [/quote]
But very few if any of the police officers involved will still be serving, so it's d@mn all to do with the story!
09/04/1984: Dozens arrested in picket line violence
About 100 pickets have been arrested during violent clashes with police outside two working coal pits in Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire.
The so-called "flying pickets" - striking miners bussed in from other parts of the country - targeted Cresswell colliery in Derbyshire and Babbington in Nottinghamshire.
Figures suggest 46 pits are still working out of a total of 176 across the country. Miners are fighting plans to close 20 pits.
Police at Cresswell say they were taken by surprise when around 1,000 pickets descended on the colliery.
Six officers and a miner were injured in what a spokesman described as "the worst violence we have had in Derbyshire since the strike began".
Several cars belonging to working miners had their windows smashed. One miner who apparently defied the pickets and went into work had the windows of his home smashed.
21/09/1984: Maltby picket sparks violence
Police and miners have clashed at a pit in South Yorkshire in one of the biggest mass pickets since the strike began.
At least 6,000 miners tried to stop NUM members working for a construction company entering Maltby Colliery near Rotherham.
The men are working for an outside company but were required to become members of the NUM for the duration of their contract, and the miners say they should observe picket lines.
There was a tense stand-off early in the morning as the pit-workers arrived to prevent seven construction workers entering the colliery.
Jeering
They were met by a force of 700 police officers with 500 reinforcements waiting close by - all dressed in full riot gear.
Two pickets and three officers were injured in the violence, and five miners were arrested on breach of the peace offences.
Some of the strikers tore bricks off a nearby wall to throw them at the police lines and jeered when ordered to stop.
One of the missiles hit a policeman, dislocating his shoulder.
The senior officer in charge, Chief Superintendent John Nesbitt said the picketing had been "very, very heavy and intense".
He told reporters the miners had fired an air rifle at them and used catapults to shoot marbles.
But very few if any of the police officers involved will still be serving, so it's d@mn all to do with the story!
Posted by: Fellowtraveller1, Scarborough on 9:17pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Bemused wrote:
'But very few if any of the police officers involved will still be serving, so it's d@mn all to do with the story!'
-And yet you lost very little time in replying to Paul G's reference to the miners' strike - so don't take that attitude. Now - about my being against all forms of authority.....??
Bemused wrote:
'But very few if any of the police officers involved will still be serving, so it's d@mn all to do with the story!'
-And yet you lost very little time in replying to Paul G's reference to the miners' strike - so don't take that attitude. Now - about my being against all forms of authority.....??
Posted by: Bemused, York on 10:51pm Mon 21 Jan 08
I'll take whatever attitude I like, and I am not justifying myself to people like you! Now go sulk.
I'll take whatever attitude I like, and I am not justifying myself to people like you! Now go sulk.
Posted by: Fellowtraveller1, Scarborough on 7:16pm Tue 22 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Bemused[/bold] wrote:
I'll take whatever attitude I like, and I am not justifying myself to people like you! Now go sulk.[/quote] ...He says sulkily.
My God - Harry Roberts certainly had the right idea!
Bemused wrote:
I'll take whatever attitude I like, and I am not justifying myself to people like you! Now go sulk.
...He says sulkily.
My God - Harry Roberts certainly had the right idea!
Posted by: Fellowtraveller1, Scarborough on 10:45pm Tue 22 Jan 08
Oops - scrub the last line of my previous comment - way,way over the top!
Oops - scrub the last line of my previous comment - way,way over the top!
Posted by: Bemused, York on 11:54am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote]My God - Harry Roberts certainly had the right idea![/quote]
QED, no wonder you thought better of it!
My God - Harry Roberts certainly had the right idea!
QED, no wonder you thought better of it!
Posted by: Bemused, York on 11:56am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote]My God - Harry Roberts certainly had the right idea![/quote]
QED, no wonder you thought better of it!
My God - Harry Roberts certainly had the right idea!
QED, no wonder you thought better of it!
Posted by: Fellowtraveller1, Scarborough on 7:05pm Wed 23 Jan 08
You may yet convince me to change my mind again about my last remark. It would be nice to know how I am against all form of authority, otherwise I would have to conclude that you are still in a sulk.
You may yet convince me to change my mind again about my last remark. It would be nice to know how I am against all form of authority, otherwise I would have to conclude that you are still in a sulk.
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