Hotel plans blocked
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| Andrew Cossins with plans for the York Barbican Centre site |
FRESH proposals for a hotel near York's Barbican Centre are being submitted to planners after environment chiefs raised concerns about possible flood risks.
An original scheme for a 108-bedroom hotel on the site of the Kent Street Coach Park was submitted to City of York Council last year, but later withdrawn following objections by the Environment Agency.
The agency claimed the site, which is considerably higher than the River Ouse, lay in an area of medium flood probability - known as Flood Zone 2.
It said it would not withdraw its opposition until a flood risk "sequential test" had been carried out, to demonstrate there were no reasonably available alternative sites in other areas with a lower probability of flooding, appropriate for this type of development.
Architect Paul O'Neill said today that such a test had now been carried out, and the report would be submitted along with a resubmission of the original application to City of York Council this week.
He said the proposals involved a three-star Days Hotel, with restaurant and bar facilities, which would serve evening meals. It would be run by experienced hotelier Andrew Cossins, who currently runs the Pavilion Hotel, in Fulford.
The applicants say the hotel will provide 35 jobs, and help plug an accommodation gap it says has been identified in York.
Just across the road on the site of the former Barbican Centre swimming pool, a 160-room Premier Inn is also being planned.
The council originally planned to build a swimming pool on the coach park to replace the Barbican pool, but abandoned the plan after the amount it received from developers dropped following planning and legal delays.
The coach park hotel scheme has been criticised by York Civic Trust, which said in a letter to the council that it was "yet another example of an uninspired design for a new building in York".
It claimed: "It shows no recognition of the fact that this building is located in an historic city and could have been designed for anywhere where aesthetics were of less importance."
It also raised concerns that if the decked car park nearby was used for people staying at the Kent Street hotel, there might be insufficient parking available in the area when the Barbican re-opened.
12:04am Thursday 27th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Voice Of reason on 1:41am Thu 27 Mar 08
At least this proves that the council don't care if the homeless die at the new Peasholme centre!
At least this proves that the council don't care if the homeless die at the new Peasholme centre!
Posted by: bernard briggs on 1:45am Thu 27 Mar 08
with global warming and rising sea levels should not Kent street be rezoned to level 1 flood zone
with global warming and rising sea levels should not Kent street be rezoned to level 1 flood zone
Posted by: BL on 9:20am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]and help plug an accommodation gap it says has been identified in York.[/quote]
What - with "another" Hotel. I thought they wanted a 5 star one there because we were short of them?
and help plug an accommodation gap it says has been identified in York.
What - with "another" Hotel. I thought they wanted a 5 star one there because we were short of them?
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 9:21am Thu 27 Mar 08
I have this storming idea!
Instead of a hotel, why don't we build an ..... olympic size swimming pool. York is extemely short of public swimming pools and council owned up-to-date leisure facilities (these seem to have turned into speed humps and road alterations for a private bus company).
I have this storming idea!
Instead of a hotel, why don't we build an ..... olympic size swimming pool. York is extemely short of public swimming pools and council owned up-to-date leisure facilities (these seem to have turned into speed humps and road alterations for a private bus company).
Posted by: Angry and Frustrated, York on 9:33am Thu 27 Mar 08
Can someone tell me who voted these muppets into power? Firstly, they try to shaft the residents of York by getting rid of the Barbican centre on the quiet, but they were rumbled. Then they promised us a new swimming pool to replace the perfectly adequate one that was there but reneged on that because local residents exercised their right to object. Then we were promised a 5 star hotel (which the Council pointed out would have leisure facilities that Joe Public could use, no doubt having paid a hefty joining fee)which didn't materialise.
And what have this Council left us with? A Premier bl**dy Inn on one side and potentially a Days bl**dy Inn on the other!
York has more than it's fair share of hotels. What I am confused about is how Premier Inn get planning permission and yet Days Inn is in a flood zone - they are across the bl**dy road from one another!!
Can someone tell me who voted these muppets into power? Firstly, they try to shaft the residents of York by getting rid of the Barbican centre on the quiet, but they were rumbled. Then they promised us a new swimming pool to replace the perfectly adequate one that was there but reneged on that because local residents exercised their right to object. Then we were promised a 5 star hotel (which the Council pointed out would have leisure facilities that Joe Public could use, no doubt having paid a hefty joining fee)which didn't materialise.
And what have this Council left us with? A Premier bl**dy Inn on one side and potentially a Days bl**dy Inn on the other!
York has more than it's fair share of hotels. What I am confused about is how Premier Inn get planning permission and yet Days Inn is in a flood zone - they are across the bl**dy road from one another!!
Posted by: C H, york on 10:25am Thu 27 Mar 08
These jokers are at it again, they decide to build a homeless centre 10 yards from the river then can,t understand why they are having problems with putting the piles in as water is a problem !!! This hotel will be about 400 yars inland from the river and they say there is a risk of flooding what kind of cockameemee logic is that, what they should do is pass a plan to put a Big Top on the site and let these clowns perform there. My heart aches!!
These jokers are at it again, they decide to build a homeless centre 10 yards from the river then can,t understand why they are having problems with putting the piles in as water is a problem !!! This hotel will be about 400 yars inland from the river and they say there is a risk of flooding what kind of cockameemee logic is that, what they should do is pass a plan to put a Big Top on the site and let these clowns perform there. My heart aches!!
Posted by: Lt.Dobie, York-ish on 12:27pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I know I'm 'looking backards', but why did those cretins at CYC close the Barbican Pool? I moved away and heard through the grapevine that it had been closed?
And why, did they build the Barbican centre to close after a few years?
I am, once again, agahst with this council...
I know I'm 'looking backards', but why did those cretins at CYC close the Barbican Pool? I moved away and heard through the grapevine that it had been closed?
And why, did they build the Barbican centre to close after a few years?
I am, once again, agahst with this council...
Posted by: yorkpete, north yorks on 1:14pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Can the environment Agency explain just how this "Flood risk test" has been devised and carried out for this location.
I can think of few other areas of York with a lower probability of flooding than there
Can the environment Agency explain just how this "Flood risk test" has been devised and carried out for this location.
I can think of few other areas of York with a lower probability of flooding than there
Posted by: yorkpete, north yorks on 1:15pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Can the environment Agency explain just how this "Flood risk test" has been devised and carried out for this location.
I can think of few other areas of York with a lower probability of flooding than there
Can the environment Agency explain just how this "Flood risk test" has been devised and carried out for this location.
I can think of few other areas of York with a lower probability of flooding than there
Posted by: Mark, Tadcaster on 2:00pm Thu 27 Mar 08
If Kent Street is "at risk" then most of York must be.
And York doesn't need another mediocre hotel. It needs high standard accommodation with proper conference and leisure facilities to attract the business that is currently being lost to Leeds and Harrogate.
If Kent Street is "at risk" then most of York must be.
And York doesn't need another mediocre hotel. It needs high standard accommodation with proper conference and leisure facilities to attract the business that is currently being lost to Leeds and Harrogate.
Posted by: Peter, york on 7:38pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mark[/bold] wrote:
If Kent Street is "at risk" then most of York must be. And York doesn't need another mediocre hotel. It needs high standard accommodation with proper conference and leisure facilities to attract the business that is currently being lost to Leeds and Harrogate. [/quote] Wasn't the Barbican a conference and leisure centre once
Mark wrote:
If Kent Street is "at risk" then most of York must be. And York doesn't need another mediocre hotel. It needs high standard accommodation with proper conference and leisure facilities to attract the business that is currently being lost to Leeds and Harrogate.
Wasn't the Barbican a conference and leisure centre once
Posted by: petethefeet, York on 8:38pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]yorkpete[/bold] wrote:
Can the environment Agency explain just how this "Flood risk test" has been devised and carried out for this location. I can think of few other areas of York with a lower probability of flooding than there[/quote] the drains in the area can't cope with torrential rain. When we lived off Hesligton road in the 70's we had rain-water flood the street. They probably don't want to increase the volume going in.
yorkpete wrote:
Can the environment Agency explain just how this "Flood risk test" has been devised and carried out for this location. I can think of few other areas of York with a lower probability of flooding than there
the drains in the area can't cope with torrential rain. When we lived off Hesligton road in the 70's we had rain-water flood the street. They probably don't want to increase the volume going in.
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