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SPEEDING motorists are set to be targeted with mobile cameras in York, but the city looks likely to remain free of fixed devices.
The news follows meetings between York council leader Steve Galloway and North Yorkshire's chief constable Grahame Maxwell, to discuss ways to improve safety on York's roads.
As reported in The Press last week, the number of people killed or seriously injured on York's roads has fallen to a record low, but that followed a record high in 2006, when there were 160 casualties.
Coun Galloway asked police to look into using speed cameras, and says he understands a review is set to recommend rejecting fixed cameras, in favour of mobile ones that can be moved from blackspot to blackspot in unmarked vans. He said: "If that is the final conclusion, I would be quite happy with that. Having mobile cameras that can be taken to different locations as and when issues arise, accidents occur, or residents express concerns seems to me to be a satisfactory conclusion."
North Yorkshire Police declined to comment until the review was completed, but Coun Galloway said he welcomed the expected outcome. At a meeting of the council's city strategy panel this week, he told councillors: "Notwithstanding the work the council has done, I was convinced that the use of cameras should be considered, in one form or another. I understand now that the study we were promised, and which is now almost complete, will not actually be recommending fixed cameras, but will be recommending the deployment of mobile cameras, probably in unmarked vans.
"Clearly that has the advantage that they can be moved from one accident location to another, and we could put up warning signs to say cameras may be out and about."
Sheila Ranger, of the RAC Foundation, said both fixed and mobile cameras had plus points. Permanent ones showed motorists that they were on a dangerous piece of road, but mobile ones had obvious advantages.
"Mobile cameras can be moved around and are more flexible," she said.
"But in both cases, cameras are only part of the solution and we do not want people to think cameras are the only anti-speeding device."
8:59am Thursday 20th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: bjb, York on 9:13am Thu 20 Mar 08
I consider mobile cameras the best option, they will need operatives. How long before they are parked up in a garage somewhere because they cannot afford the manpower. We have had hand operated guns for years. Hands up anyone that has seen one being used recently. Not many, I'll bet.
Let us hope they get enough income from them to make the system viable.
I consider mobile cameras the best option, they will need operatives. How long before they are parked up in a garage somewhere because they cannot afford the manpower. We have had hand operated guns for years. Hands up anyone that has seen one being used recently. Not many, I'll bet.
Let us hope they get enough income from them to make the system viable.
Posted by: Corruption abounds on 9:19am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bjb[/bold] wrote:
I consider mobile cameras the best option, they will need operatives. How long before they are parked up in a garage somewhere because they cannot afford the manpower. We have had hand operated guns for years. Hands up anyone that has seen one being used recently. Not many, I'll bet.
Let us hope they get enough income from them to make the system viable.[/quote] You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.
Thanks to the idiots in charge of this City it is very hard to get up to 30mph let alone break the speed limit.
This is just more of the same. Penalise the motorist and get easy revenue into the coffers. The vast majority of the population (and please bear in mind that this is still a democracy) would much prefer to see plod target good old fashioned crimes like violence and burglaries, you know the sort? The ones that actually make a difference to our quality of life!
bjb wrote:
I consider mobile cameras the best option, they will need operatives. How long before they are parked up in a garage somewhere because they cannot afford the manpower. We have had hand operated guns for years. Hands up anyone that has seen one being used recently. Not many, I'll bet.
Let us hope they get enough income from them to make the system viable.
You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.
Thanks to the idiots in charge of this City it is very hard to get up to 30mph let alone break the speed limit.
This is just more of the same. Penalise the motorist and get easy revenue into the coffers. The vast majority of the population (and please bear in mind that this is still a democracy) would much prefer to see plod target good old fashioned crimes like violence and burglaries, you know the sort? The ones that actually make a difference to our quality of life!
Posted by: KarenWhite1978, Heslington on 9:28am Thu 20 Mar 08
Speed cameras are needed, and they are a better option that the chicanes currently in use in Heslington for example. There's a clear need for anti speed devices on a road traversed so frequently by pedestrians, but fixed speed cameras would at least allow consistent traffic flow at 30mph rather than the stop start queues currently seen.
Cameras are also needed around Huntington where contrary to myths put about by petrol (empty) heads, speeds of well over 45mph are the norm.
Bring on more speed cameras. They only catch idiots and I like taxes on idiots.
Speed cameras are needed, and they are a better option that the chicanes currently in use in Heslington for example. There's a clear need for anti speed devices on a road traversed so frequently by pedestrians, but fixed speed cameras would at least allow consistent traffic flow at 30mph rather than the stop start queues currently seen.
Cameras are also needed around Huntington where contrary to myths put about by petrol (empty) heads, speeds of well over 45mph are the norm.
Bring on more speed cameras. They only catch idiots and I like taxes on idiots.
Posted by: bjb, York on 9:31am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote]You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.[/quote]
Does it make you feel better calling people name instead of considered arguments.
Try crossing Strensall/Northmoor, Huntington, Hull and many other road, and you will soon realise the 30mph limit is broken many times, often at very high speeds. How many people have been killed on the stretch of Hull Road between Tang Hall Lane and the B&Q depot in recent years?
You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.
Does it make you feel better calling people name instead of considered arguments.
Try crossing Strensall/Northmoor, Huntington, Hull and many other road, and you will soon realise the 30mph limit is broken many times, often at very high speeds. How many people have been killed on the stretch of Hull Road between Tang Hall Lane and the B&Q depot in recent years?
Posted by: smudger1, new zealand on 9:37am Thu 20 Mar 08
they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........
they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 9:41am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bjb[/bold] wrote:
[quote]You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.[/quote] Does it make you feel better calling people name instead of considered arguments. Try crossing Strensall/Northmoor, Huntington, Hull and many other road, and you will soon realise the 30mph limit is broken many times, often at very high speeds. How many people have been killed on the stretch of Hull Road between Tang Hall Lane and the B&Q depot in recent years?[/quote] I cant actually remember one! North moor road has speed bumps so you cant really go above 30mph there. In fairness the b&q road is also a forty zone!
bjb wrote:
You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.
Does it make you feel better calling people name instead of considered arguments. Try crossing Strensall/Northmoor, Huntington, Hull and many other road, and you will soon realise the 30mph limit is broken many times, often at very high speeds. How many people have been killed on the stretch of Hull Road between Tang Hall Lane and the B&Q depot in recent years?
I cant actually remember one! North moor road has speed bumps so you cant really go above 30mph there. In fairness the b&q road is also a forty zone!
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 9:43am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote:
they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........[/quote] Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.
smudger1 wrote:
they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........
Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.
Posted by: Miss Amelia Rate, YORK on 9:45am Thu 20 Mar 08
The two signs on hull road that tell you to slow down need re-calibrating as they often say slow down when you are under the limit anyway.
The two signs on hull road that tell you to slow down need re-calibrating as they often say slow down when you are under the limit anyway.
Posted by: smudger1, new zealand on 9:55am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........[/quote] Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.[/quote] maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........
bobby dazzler wrote:
smudger1 wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........
Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.
maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........
Posted by: Bemused on 9:59am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote]Try crossing Strensall/Northmoor, Huntington, Hull and many other road, and you will soon realise the 30mph limit is broken many times, often at very high speeds.[/quote]
You can't judge that standing by the side of the road.
[quote]The vast majority of the population (and please bear in mind that this is still a democracy) would much prefer to see plod target good old fashioned crimes like violence and burglaries, you know the sort? The ones that actually make a difference to our quality of life![/quote]
I think this is very true.
Try crossing Strensall/Northmoor, Huntington, Hull and many other road, and you will soon realise the 30mph limit is broken many times, often at very high speeds.
You can't judge that standing by the side of the road.
The vast majority of the population (and please bear in mind that this is still a democracy) would much prefer to see plod target good old fashioned crimes like violence and burglaries, you know the sort? The ones that actually make a difference to our quality of life!
I think this is very true.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 10:02am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........[/quote] Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.[/quote] maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........[/quote] Look at the stats before you decide all deaths on the road are down to speeding! And high trained my ar#e! i know one and basically he said aslong as they have someone in the car with them they just abuse the speed getting up to 150mph!
smudger1 wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: smudger1 wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........
Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.
maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........
Look at the stats before you decide all deaths on the road are down to speeding! And high trained my ar#e! i know one and basically he said aslong as they have someone in the car with them they just abuse the speed getting up to 150mph!
Posted by: bobby_spray, york on 10:11am Thu 20 Mar 08
good news! and they should start on the unofficial racing track that is knavesmire road!
good news! and they should start on the unofficial racing track that is knavesmire road!
Posted by: bjb, York on 10:18am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote]I cant actually remember one! North moor road has speed bumps so you cant really go above 30mph there. In fairness the b&q road is also a forty zone![/quote]
NO speed humps between the A1237 roundabout and the Huntington junior school.
Bemused.
You may not be able to tell the difference between 30 and 35mph, but you can between 30 and 50+, which is often the case.
I cant actually remember one! North moor road has speed bumps so you cant really go above 30mph there. In fairness the b&q road is also a forty zone!
NO speed humps between the A1237 roundabout and the Huntington junior school.
Bemused.
You may not be able to tell the difference between 30 and 35mph, but you can between 30 and 50+, which is often the case.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 10:21am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bjb[/bold] wrote:
[quote]I cant actually remember one! North moor road has speed bumps so you cant really go above 30mph there. In fairness the b&q road is also a forty zone![/quote] NO speed humps between the A1237 roundabout and the Huntington junior school. Bemused. You may not be able to tell the difference between 30 and 35mph, but you can between 30 and 50+, which is often the case.[/quote] Ha ok they start next to the working mans club! But people do not speed on that road! Simple as i drive up in 3 times a week! And the bumps are only just after the school! Look when the roads are quiet i see no problem with going 40mph after all its a road! if the person runs out onto it that is their choice and therefore risk! We dont have a go at trains when they run people over...because there road is the track and if you cross the track you take the risk!
bjb wrote:
I cant actually remember one! North moor road has speed bumps so you cant really go above 30mph there. In fairness the b&q road is also a forty zone!
NO speed humps between the A1237 roundabout and the Huntington junior school. Bemused. You may not be able to tell the difference between 30 and 35mph, but you can between 30 and 50+, which is often the case.
Ha ok they start next to the working mans club! But people do not speed on that road! Simple as i drive up in 3 times a week! And the bumps are only just after the school! Look when the roads are quiet i see no problem with going 40mph after all its a road! if the person runs out onto it that is their choice and therefore risk! We dont have a go at trains when they run people over...because there road is the track and if you cross the track you take the risk!
Posted by: smudger1, new zealand on 10:22am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........[/quote] Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.[/quote] maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........[/quote] Look at the stats before you decide all deaths on the road are down to speeding! And high trained my ar#e! i know one and basically he said aslong as they have someone in the car with them they just abuse the speed getting up to 150mph! [/quote] well that classes him as an idiot then dosent it most cases are speed or drink drivers and we all know there are plenty of them around dont we...............
bobby dazzler wrote:
smudger1 wrote: bobby dazzler wrote: smudger1 wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........
Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.
maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........
Look at the stats before you decide all deaths on the road are down to speeding! And high trained my ar#e! i know one and basically he said aslong as they have someone in the car with them they just abuse the speed getting up to 150mph!
well that classes him as an idiot then dosent it most cases are speed or drink drivers and we all know there are plenty of them around dont we...............
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 10:22am Thu 20 Mar 08
There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car.
You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car.
You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 10:25am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........[/quote] Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.[/quote] maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........[/quote] Look at the stats before you decide all deaths on the road are down to speeding! And high trained my ar#e! i know one and basically he said aslong as they have someone in the car with them they just abuse the speed getting up to 150mph! [/quote] well that classes him as an idiot then dosent it most cases are speed or drink drivers and we all know there are plenty of them around dont we...............[/quote] Ha they are not at all! Maybe drink causes a few but look at the stats for speeders in york! simple fact being you can because there is always traffic! I also thought you said you could drive fast if you were police trained? Fact is most the 30 zones in york should be 40. I.e moor lane. as there is nobody crossing over the road and its a long straight!
smudger1 wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: smudger1 wrote: bobby dazzler wrote: smudger1 wrote: they should have the device fitted in the car like they have over here the device picks up the speed from cars in front or behind the police unit,i used to live in york 12 years ago and its hard to believe england is still behind on some things........
Ha wouldn't do much good when the police are always speeding anyway! Not that fair either! I say let people drive at whatever speed they feel confortable with.
maybe so but they are trained to drive at high speed, speed limits are there for a reason,and that reason is to stop idiots killing other road users.........
Look at the stats before you decide all deaths on the road are down to speeding! And high trained my ar#e! i know one and basically he said aslong as they have someone in the car with them they just abuse the speed getting up to 150mph!
well that classes him as an idiot then dosent it most cases are speed or drink drivers and we all know there are plenty of them around dont we...............
Ha they are not at all! Maybe drink causes a few but look at the stats for speeders in york! simple fact being you can because there is always traffic! I also thought you said you could drive fast if you were police trained? Fact is most the 30 zones in york should be 40. I.e moor lane. as there is nobody crossing over the road and its a long straight!
Posted by: smudger1, new zealand on 10:26am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] well said..........
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
well said..........
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 10:27am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] well said..........[/quote] Ha this would just create more illegal drivers!
smudger1 wrote:
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
well said..........
Ha this would just create more illegal drivers!
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 10:35am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] well said..........[/quote] Ha this would just create more illegal drivers! [/quote] Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets.
If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'.
As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging.
I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much.
Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years.
bobby dazzler wrote:
smudger1 wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
well said..........
Ha this would just create more illegal drivers!
Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets.
If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'.
As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging.
I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much.
Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 10:43am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] well said..........[/quote] Ha this would just create more illegal drivers! [/quote] Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets. If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'. As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging. I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much. Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years. [/quote] If i for example was coming home from work a 10 at night. I would be driving down moor lane were there is nobody about. It would be dark cold and i would not be doinf 30mph! I'd want to be home asap. The a copper pulls me over and gives me a year ban? I would just drive anyway for such a pathtic ban! We all need to realise there is very little car accidents in york! And i.e my firend (cant name) ran over a girl who decied it would be a good idea to run out behined a parked van! He was not drunk nor speeding! The girls parents then wanted to take him to court as she had a broken leg( could have been worse) Witnesses came forward and all said it was the girls fault. Hence the morral of the story speed doesn't kill half as much people as beeing stupid and crossing without looking! Their own stupid fault!
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: smudger1 wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
well said..........
Ha this would just create more illegal drivers!
Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets. If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'. As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging. I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much. Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years.
If i for example was coming home from work a 10 at night. I would be driving down moor lane were there is nobody about. It would be dark cold and i would not be doinf 30mph! I'd want to be home asap. The a copper pulls me over and gives me a year ban? I would just drive anyway for such a pathtic ban! We all need to realise there is very little car accidents in york! And i.e my firend (cant name) ran over a girl who decied it would be a good idea to run out behined a parked van! He was not drunk nor speeding! The girls parents then wanted to take him to court as she had a broken leg( could have been worse) Witnesses came forward and all said it was the girls fault. Hence the morral of the story speed doesn't kill half as much people as beeing stupid and crossing without looking! Their own stupid fault!
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 10:52am Thu 20 Mar 08
bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands.
How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?
bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands.
How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?
Posted by: voiceoreason, york on 10:54am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] well said..........[/quote] Ha this would just create more illegal drivers! [/quote] Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets. If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'. As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging. I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much. Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years. [/quote] If i for example was coming home from work a 10 at night. I would be driving down moor lane were there is nobody about. It would be dark cold and i would not be doinf 30mph! I'd want to be home asap. The a copper pulls me over and gives me a year ban? I would just drive anyway for such a pathtic ban! We all need to realise there is very little car accidents in york! And i.e my firend (cant name) ran over a girl who decied it would be a good idea to run out behined a parked van! He was not drunk nor speeding! The girls parents then wanted to take him to court as she had a broken leg( could have been worse) Witnesses came forward and all said it was the girls fault. Hence the morral of the story speed doesn't kill half as much people as beeing stupid and crossing without looking! Their own stupid fault![/quote] No the moral of the story is speed limits work. If your friend had been doing 40/50 mph chances are the girl would have been killed
bobby dazzler wrote:
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: smudger1 wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
well said..........
Ha this would just create more illegal drivers!
Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets. If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'. As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging. I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much. Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years.
If i for example was coming home from work a 10 at night. I would be driving down moor lane were there is nobody about. It would be dark cold and i would not be doinf 30mph! I'd want to be home asap. The a copper pulls me over and gives me a year ban? I would just drive anyway for such a pathtic ban! We all need to realise there is very little car accidents in york! And i.e my firend (cant name) ran over a girl who decied it would be a good idea to run out behined a parked van! He was not drunk nor speeding! The girls parents then wanted to take him to court as she had a broken leg( could have been worse) Witnesses came forward and all said it was the girls fault. Hence the morral of the story speed doesn't kill half as much people as beeing stupid and crossing without looking! Their own stupid fault!
No the moral of the story is speed limits work. If your friend had been doing 40/50 mph chances are the girl would have been killed
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 10:58am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands. How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?[/quote] Because i dont agree with 24 hour speed limits! I dont agree with half of the limits in york as there is no danger! look at the figure jack before you have a go! My mate had to put up with some girls parents trying to sue him for driving in the speed limit and hitting her when it her fault! You think its fair people can do that? After he actual managed to dodge her a bit so she only wrecked the side of his car(which saved her life aparently) Then had to pay for the dameages she cause and had to hear her parents insult him(harsly) when he was not in the wrong! Pedestrian crossings are there for a reason! No matter what speed you are going if you are vigilant and the person crossing the road is...NO ACCIDENTS WOULD OCCUR!
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands. How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?
Because i dont agree with 24 hour speed limits! I dont agree with half of the limits in york as there is no danger! look at the figure jack before you have a go! My mate had to put up with some girls parents trying to sue him for driving in the speed limit and hitting her when it her fault! You think its fair people can do that? After he actual managed to dodge her a bit so she only wrecked the side of his car(which saved her life aparently) Then had to pay for the dameages she cause and had to hear her parents insult him(harsly) when he was not in the wrong! Pedestrian crossings are there for a reason! No matter what speed you are going if you are vigilant and the person crossing the road is...NO ACCIDENTS WOULD OCCUR!
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 11:00am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]voiceoreason[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smudger1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] well said..........[/quote] Ha this would just create more illegal drivers! [/quote] Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets. If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'. As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging. I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much. Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years. [/quote] If i for example was coming home from work a 10 at night. I would be driving down moor lane were there is nobody about. It would be dark cold and i would not be doinf 30mph! I'd want to be home asap. The a copper pulls me over and gives me a year ban? I would just drive anyway for such a pathtic ban! We all need to realise there is very little car accidents in york! And i.e my firend (cant name) ran over a girl who decied it would be a good idea to run out behined a parked van! He was not drunk nor speeding! The girls parents then wanted to take him to court as she had a broken leg( could have been worse) Witnesses came forward and all said it was the girls fault. Hence the morral of the story speed doesn't kill half as much people as beeing stupid and crossing without looking! Their own stupid fault![/quote] No the moral of the story is speed limits work. If your friend had been doing 40/50 mph chances are the girl would have been killed[/quote] Ha no she could have died anyway if he didn't swerve! and if he was he would have got the blame and it would be put down to speeing instead of the little dirtbag just running around on a main road! Also how the hell do you know it wasn't a forty zone he was in
voiceoreason wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: bobby dazzler wrote: smudger1 wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
well said..........
Ha this would just create more illegal drivers!
Think about this, many road users consistently break the law on roads by going through red lights, by speeding, taking shortcuts down one-way streets. If you applied this level of abuse to any other area of life, there would be anarchy which is effectively what there is on the roads because people simply drive within 'their own laws'. As i said before, there's a solution for persistently banned drivers - 3 strikes and you are out, death by hanging. I ride a push-rod but the amount of people on push-rods going through red lights is staggering. If the policy was red-light jumping, bicycle confiscation and crushing, people might not do it as much. Heaven forbid we should have death by lethal injection as a deterrent to stop this youth underclass kicking people to death and being released after 10 years.
If i for example was coming home from work a 10 at night. I would be driving down moor lane were there is nobody about. It would be dark cold and i would not be doinf 30mph! I'd want to be home asap. The a copper pulls me over and gives me a year ban? I would just drive anyway for such a pathtic ban! We all need to realise there is very little car accidents in york! And i.e my firend (cant name) ran over a girl who decied it would be a good idea to run out behined a parked van! He was not drunk nor speeding! The girls parents then wanted to take him to court as she had a broken leg( could have been worse) Witnesses came forward and all said it was the girls fault. Hence the morral of the story speed doesn't kill half as much people as beeing stupid and crossing without looking! Their own stupid fault!
No the moral of the story is speed limits work. If your friend had been doing 40/50 mph chances are the girl would have been killed
Ha no she could have died anyway if he didn't swerve! and if he was he would have got the blame and it would be put down to speeing instead of the little dirtbag just running around on a main road! Also how the hell do you know it wasn't a forty zone he was in
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 11:02am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands. How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?[/quote] Fine! I would not be taking the blame for driving responsibly! It would be their fault for not road training their kid!
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands. How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?
Fine! I would not be taking the blame for driving responsibly! It would be their fault for not road training their kid!
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 11:07am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands. How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?[/quote] Because i dont agree with 24 hour speed limits! I dont agree with half of the limits in york as there is no danger! look at the figure jack before you have a go! My mate had to put up with some girls parents trying to sue him for driving in the speed limit and hitting her when it her fault! You think its fair people can do that? After he actual managed to dodge her a bit so she only wrecked the side of his car(which saved her life aparently) Then had to pay for the dameages she cause and had to hear her parents insult him(harsly) when he was not in the wrong! Pedestrian crossings are there for a reason! No matter what speed you are going if you are vigilant and the person crossing the road is...NO ACCIDENTS WOULD OCCUR![/quote] bobby dazzler: I salute you. You are obviously an educated man who through the power of almost rational thought combined conceptual ability, can make the most egregious situation look worse.
Praise Darwin and his theory of evolution.
bobby dazzler wrote:
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: bobby dazzler - you are a prime example of what I am talking about. You are taking the law into your own hands. How would you feel telling the parents of some child you have knocked down and killed that it was their child's fault?
Because i dont agree with 24 hour speed limits! I dont agree with half of the limits in york as there is no danger! look at the figure jack before you have a go! My mate had to put up with some girls parents trying to sue him for driving in the speed limit and hitting her when it her fault! You think its fair people can do that? After he actual managed to dodge her a bit so she only wrecked the side of his car(which saved her life aparently) Then had to pay for the dameages she cause and had to hear her parents insult him(harsly) when he was not in the wrong! Pedestrian crossings are there for a reason! No matter what speed you are going if you are vigilant and the person crossing the road is...NO ACCIDENTS WOULD OCCUR!
bobby dazzler: I salute you. You are obviously an educated man who through the power of almost rational thought combined conceptual ability, can make the most egregious situation look worse.
Praise Darwin and his theory of evolution.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 11:20am Thu 20 Mar 08
Ha jack you can say what you want. I know for a fact that the people who are given speeing fines etc are on average 5mph over the limit! If everyone drove to the speed limit accidents would still occur. You class me as making my own laws when it comes to driving. The fact is i have no points have never been in a crash. In my opinion slow drivers or should i say unconfortable drives are more of a danger.But yes jack you are right i slipped the evolution and i am infact a monkey with a car.
Ha jack you can say what you want. I know for a fact that the people who are given speeing fines etc are on average 5mph over the limit! If everyone drove to the speed limit accidents would still occur. You class me as making my own laws when it comes to driving. The fact is i have no points have never been in a crash. In my opinion slow drivers or should i say unconfortable drives are more of a danger.But yes jack you are right i slipped the evolution and i am infact a monkey with a car.
Posted by: Gardener, York on 11:22am Thu 20 Mar 08
.. according to the tinternet if you fit a garage door remote opener to your car, and when you see a hi vis coat click it and it causes the machine to recalibrate thus allowing you braking time......
.. according to the tinternet if you fit a garage door remote opener to your car, and when you see a hi vis coat click it and it causes the machine to recalibrate thus allowing you braking time......
Posted by: Gardener, York on 11:23am Thu 20 Mar 08
Won't stop cyclists without lights, or running red lights, cycling on pavements, muggers, rapists, child abducters, drug dealers but will raise money from soft targets to keep Labour in power and Galloway and Reid in pies!
Won't stop cyclists without lights, or running red lights, cycling on pavements, muggers, rapists, child abducters, drug dealers but will raise money from soft targets to keep Labour in power and Galloway and Reid in pies!
Posted by: cyberbookworm, York on 11:30am Thu 20 Mar 08
As a slightly safer alternative to the A1079 I used to drive to work via Stamford Bridge. Through Fangfoss the road is 20 mph as it is a village. What used to happen? B***ds used to overtake me as I was actually sticking to 20 mph! What hope is there for the world?
As a slightly safer alternative to the A1079 I used to drive to work via Stamford Bridge. Through Fangfoss the road is 20 mph as it is a village. What used to happen? B***ds used to overtake me as I was actually sticking to 20 mph! What hope is there for the world?
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 11:33am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]cyberbookworm[/bold] wrote:
As a slightly safer alternative to the A1079 I used to drive to work via Stamford Bridge. Through Fangfoss the road is 20 mph as it is a village. What used to happen? B***ds used to overtake me as I was actually sticking to 20 mph! What hope is there for the world?[/quote] That concentration is taken off the speed limits and the money used to prevent more corrupt and vial crimes i.e rape, immigration, drug dealing, murder etc. Not the fact that doing 30mph instead of 20mph is a such a big deal.
cyberbookworm wrote:
As a slightly safer alternative to the A1079 I used to drive to work via Stamford Bridge. Through Fangfoss the road is 20 mph as it is a village. What used to happen? B***ds used to overtake me as I was actually sticking to 20 mph! What hope is there for the world?
That concentration is taken off the speed limits and the money used to prevent more corrupt and vial crimes i.e rape, immigration, drug dealing, murder etc. Not the fact that doing 30mph instead of 20mph is a such a big deal.
Posted by: slang, york on 12:49pm Thu 20 Mar 08
It's simple you have rules, you follow them. If you break a speed limit then you are breaking the law and should be punished. And that includes 90% of the traffic going up the A64
It's simple you have rules, you follow them. If you break a speed limit then you are breaking the law and should be punished. And that includes 90% of the traffic going up the A64
Posted by: Duncan Place, York on 12:51pm Thu 20 Mar 08
About time. Get some fixed ones up as well, its time to fleece the tourists.
About time. Get some fixed ones up as well, its time to fleece the tourists.
Posted by: Stevie in Selby, Selby on 12:54pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] The punishment [italic]does[/italic] fit the crime. Speed does [bold]not[/bold] kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't.
Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time.
Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it [italic]can[/italic] be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, [italic]if[/italic] the conditions are right.
Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
The punishment
does fit the crime. Speed does
not kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't.
Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time.
Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it
can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60,
if the conditions are right.
Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 1:00pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]slang[/bold] wrote:
It's simple you have rules, you follow them. If you break a speed limit then you are breaking the law and should be punished. And that includes 90% of the traffic going up the A64[/quote] Ha no it isn't otherwise nobody would speed. So if we are playing the rule game i shall take my bow and arrow onto the bar walls and shoot a scottish man in a kilt and get away with it! the rules do not always make sence!
slang wrote:
It's simple you have rules, you follow them. If you break a speed limit then you are breaking the law and should be punished. And that includes 90% of the traffic going up the A64
Ha no it isn't otherwise nobody would speed. So if we are playing the rule game i shall take my bow and arrow onto the bar walls and shoot a scottish man in a kilt and get away with it! the rules do not always make sence!
Posted by: monkey, york on 1:01pm Thu 20 Mar 08
maybe if york wasn't such a congested hell hole people wouldn't get frustrated and end up speeding, I know it hacks me off
maybe if york wasn't such a congested hell hole people wouldn't get frustrated and end up speeding, I know it hacks me off
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 1:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Stevie in Selby[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] The punishment [italic]does[/italic] fit the crime. Speed does [bold]not[/bold] kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it [italic]can[/italic] be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, [italic]if[/italic] the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.[/quote] Whay!!!! finally somebody who speaks the truth! the rest of you can drive your 30mph at 10 at night mean while i will be going as fast as i feel safe to. While enjoying the rare sight of a empty road infront of me.
Stevie in Selby wrote:
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
The punishment does fit the crime. Speed does not kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.
Whay!!!! finally somebody who speaks the truth! the rest of you can drive your 30mph at 10 at night mean while i will be going as fast as i feel safe to. While enjoying the rare sight of a empty road infront of me.
Posted by: Vlad The Impaler, Transylvania on 1:53pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I agree with the comment that people drive at a speed at which they are comfortable that's why old duffers usually drive slower coz they're reaction time is longer. Get rid of the national speed limit on open roads but keep it to 30 or 40 through built up areas. Also as a statistic 25% of RTAs are caused by drunk drivers which means the other 75% were by caused by people who were sober. So therefore, statistically, drunks are safer drivers than sobers.
I agree with the comment that people drive at a speed at which they are comfortable that's why old duffers usually drive slower coz they're reaction time is longer. Get rid of the national speed limit on open roads but keep it to 30 or 40 through built up areas. Also as a statistic 25% of RTAs are caused by drunk drivers which means the other 75% were by caused by people who were sober. So therefore, statistically, drunks are safer drivers than sobers.
Posted by: Mullarkian, York on 2:40pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Cars are not lethal weapons and speed does not kill, you can die just falling over if you are unlucky. What kills is inattention, carelessness, and lack of awareness of road conditions and users. Whemn motorways were first built in this country the idea was to reduce journey times by speeding up the traffic, but when someone tested a Le Mans car on the M1 in the early hours of one morning the government collectively shat itself resulting in the ludicrous situation that we have today, ie roads designed to be safe at 100mph plus you have to tool along at 70.
Cars are not lethal weapons and speed does not kill, you can die just falling over if you are unlucky. What kills is inattention, carelessness, and lack of awareness of road conditions and users. Whemn motorways were first built in this country the idea was to reduce journey times by speeding up the traffic, but when someone tested a Le Mans car on the M1 in the early hours of one morning the government collectively shat itself resulting in the ludicrous situation that we have today, ie roads designed to be safe at 100mph plus you have to tool along at 70.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 2:49pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mullarkian[/bold] wrote:
Cars are not lethal weapons and speed does not kill, you can die just falling over if you are unlucky. What kills is inattention, carelessness, and lack of awareness of road conditions and users. Whemn motorways were first built in this country the idea was to reduce journey times by speeding up the traffic, but when someone tested a Le Mans car on the M1 in the early hours of one morning the government collectively shat itself resulting in the ludicrous situation that we have today, ie roads designed to be safe at 100mph plus you have to tool along at 70.[/quote] i dont do the 70mph its rediculas. Infact i used to drive home from work using the m1 at around 2 in the morning. If i went 70 the jounrney would take basically a hour. As the roads were empty apart from lorrys i took full advantage the was no risk or harm to others i simple got home in 35 mins.
Mullarkian wrote:
Cars are not lethal weapons and speed does not kill, you can die just falling over if you are unlucky. What kills is inattention, carelessness, and lack of awareness of road conditions and users. Whemn motorways were first built in this country the idea was to reduce journey times by speeding up the traffic, but when someone tested a Le Mans car on the M1 in the early hours of one morning the government collectively shat itself resulting in the ludicrous situation that we have today, ie roads designed to be safe at 100mph plus you have to tool along at 70.
i dont do the 70mph its rediculas. Infact i used to drive home from work using the m1 at around 2 in the morning. If i went 70 the jounrney would take basically a hour. As the roads were empty apart from lorrys i took full advantage the was no risk or harm to others i simple got home in 35 mins.
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 3:18pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Stevie in Selby[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] The punishment [italic]does[/italic] fit the crime. Speed does [bold]not[/bold] kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it [italic]can[/italic] be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, [italic]if[/italic] the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.[/quote] Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off.
You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet.
[quote]I don't drive faster than is safe.[/quote]
[quote]At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right[/quote]
These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right.
Stevie in Selby wrote:
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
The punishment does fit the crime. Speed does not kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.
Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off.
You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet.
I don't drive faster than is safe.
At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right
These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 3:26pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Stevie in Selby[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] The punishment [italic]does[/italic] fit the crime. Speed does [bold]not[/bold] kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it [italic]can[/italic] be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, [italic]if[/italic] the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.[/quote] Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off. You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet. [quote]I don't drive faster than is safe.[/quote] [quote]At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right[/quote] These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right. [/quote] Ha captin jack spazzo shut it! Who would on purposly stand infront of a car? Thats like saying stevie why dont you ride a push bike really fast down a hill into a a wall and i bet your hurt not the wall. The fact is if you are crossing the road without looking your going to get hit regardless! Speed doesn't kill dumbarses crossing the road at stupid points withou looking does!!
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
Stevie in Selby wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
The punishment does fit the crime. Speed does not kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.
Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off. You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet. I don't drive faster than is safe.
At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right
These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right.
Ha captin jack spazzo shut it! Who would on purposly stand infront of a car? Thats like saying stevie why dont you ride a push bike really fast down a hill into a a wall and i bet your hurt not the wall. The fact is if you are crossing the road without looking your going to get hit regardless! Speed doesn't kill dumbarses crossing the road at stupid points withou looking does!!
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 3:28pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Stevie in Selby[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] The punishment [italic]does[/italic] fit the crime. Speed does [bold]not[/bold] kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it [italic]can[/italic] be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, [italic]if[/italic] the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.[/quote] Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off. You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet. [quote]I don't drive faster than is safe.[/quote] [quote]At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right[/quote] These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right. [/quote] Could you also bring this opinion to further more important matters??? Like say people who think rape and murder is right and make their own laws. Maybe muggers and robbers who think they can steel? The fact remains that there is more important people and issues to sort!!
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
Stevie in Selby wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
The punishment does fit the crime. Speed does not kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.
Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off. You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet. I don't drive faster than is safe.
At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right
These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right.
Could you also bring this opinion to further more important matters??? Like say people who think rape and murder is right and make their own laws. Maybe muggers and robbers who think they can steel? The fact remains that there is more important people and issues to sort!!
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 3:37pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Stevie in Selby[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Captain Jack Sparrow[/bold] wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.[/quote] The punishment [italic]does[/italic] fit the crime. Speed does [bold]not[/bold] kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it [italic]can[/italic] be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, [italic]if[/italic] the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.[/quote] Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off. You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet. [quote]I don't drive faster than is safe.[/quote] [quote]At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right[/quote] These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right. [/quote] Could you also bring this opinion to further more important matters??? Like say people who think rape and murder is right and make their own laws. Maybe muggers and robbers who think they can steel? The fact remains that there is more important people and issues to sort!![/quote] Dearest Nobby,
The roads aren't full of rapists and murderers, they are full of car drivers, hence the topic of this story which is [bold]Speed Cameras for York[/bold] - Not, murderers and miscreants for York.
Jack
bobby dazzler wrote:
Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: Stevie in Selby wrote: Captain Jack Sparrow wrote: There's an easy way to stop people speeding. I've said it before, ban people for a year. 40 in a 30 zone for example. At the roadside, there you go. Here's your ban, best ring someone to come and get your car. You'd kill speeding overnight. It's exactly what is wrong with this country, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A car is a weapon and speed kills.
The punishment does fit the crime. Speed does not kill. If it did, most drivers would be serial killers. They aren't. Like most drivers, I do sometimes exceed the speed limit. But also like most drivers, I don't drive faster than is safe. The problem is that some people seem to think "speed limit = safe". It doesn't. The speed limit has only the most tenuous of connections with a speed that might or might not be safe on that road at that time. Hull Road, 40mph limit. At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right. Penalising drivers for going above an arbitrary speed, regardless of how safe or dangerous it is at the time, is not the right way to instil an ethos of safe driving, and will encourage people to drive up to the limit with no regard for safety or conditions.
Okay Stevie, speed doesn't kill does it?Using your logic, why don't you stand in front of a car that is doing any speed above 10mph? I think you'll find you become worse off. You and dobby nazzler are singing from the same hymn sheet. I don't drive faster than is safe.
At school chucking-out time, even 40mph is probably too fast. At 7pm, it can be perfectly safe to drive at 50 or even 60, if the conditions are right
These are your personal opinions of the road conditions which brings us full circle. People do not obey the laws on the road, they break them because they think they are right.
Could you also bring this opinion to further more important matters??? Like say people who think rape and murder is right and make their own laws. Maybe muggers and robbers who think they can steel? The fact remains that there is more important people and issues to sort!!
Dearest Nobby,
The roads aren't full of rapists and murderers, they are full of car drivers, hence the topic of this story which is
Speed Cameras for York - Not, murderers and miscreants for York.
Jack
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 3:42pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Ha that maybe but have a look at the road traffic stats for what cause deaths and you will see it isn't speed in areas like york its about 5-10%... Later spazoo
Ha that maybe but have a look at the road traffic stats for what cause deaths and you will see it isn't speed in areas like york its about 5-10%... Later spazoo
Posted by: ALD, York on 3:42pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Speed limits are there because it is considered that they are the maximum which the average person should travel for that type or section of road, bearing in mind the likely conditions which could be encountered.
On a seperate point if motor ways and dual carriage way roads etc had their speed limits reduced (and imposed) by 10mph (like we did in the 1960's during the period of petrol shortage) there would be substancial saving again, which would help to reduce carbon emissions and help save the planet. You would still get to your destination only a few minutes later.
Speed limits are there because it is considered that they are the maximum which the average person should travel for that type or section of road, bearing in mind the likely conditions which could be encountered.
On a seperate point if motor ways and dual carriage way roads etc had their speed limits reduced (and imposed) by 10mph (like we did in the 1960's during the period of petrol shortage) there would be substancial saving again, which would help to reduce carbon emissions and help save the planet. You would still get to your destination only a few minutes later.
Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow, Strensall on 3:43pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
Ha that maybe but have a look at the road traffic stats for what cause deaths and you will see it isn't speed in areas like york its about 5-10%... Later spazoo[/quote] No, it's people like you Nobby.
Hasta la pasta gimboid
bobby dazzler wrote:
Ha that maybe but have a look at the road traffic stats for what cause deaths and you will see it isn't speed in areas like york its about 5-10%... Later spazoo
No, it's people like you Nobby.
Hasta la pasta gimboid
Posted by: Mike, York on 4:18pm Thu 20 Mar 08
The overall standard of driving, from my experience, is abysmal and I am appalled at some of the comments. Even the best drivers make mistakes which are why we have speed limits and why drivers are supposed, though frequently don’t, maintain a safe braking distance.
If drivers just showed a degree of consideration for others, including, dare I say it, children, then the roads would be a far safer place.
The overall standard of driving, from my experience, is abysmal and I am appalled at some of the comments. Even the best drivers make mistakes which are why we have speed limits and why drivers are supposed, though frequently don’t, maintain a safe braking distance.
If drivers just showed a degree of consideration for others, including, dare I say it, children, then the roads would be a far safer place.
Posted by: shekou98, Bishopthorpe on 4:55pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I would not mind, at all, seeing speed cameras placed outside schools, hospitals or the like but I bet, that when speed cameras do turn up, they most likely will be placed on a free flowing, minimal accident, national speed limit type of road that will generate the maximum return of income.
I would not mind, at all, seeing speed cameras placed outside schools, hospitals or the like but I bet, that when speed cameras do turn up, they most likely will be placed on a free flowing, minimal accident, national speed limit type of road that will generate the maximum return of income.
Posted by: ouserower, york on 5:14pm Thu 20 Mar 08
In America the speed limit at Schools is enforced during school leaving times yet in the UK we stupidly put speed limits there 24hrs a day even when on holiday. Perhaps a more flexible approach is needed for evenings etc say 10mph more permoitted?
In America the speed limit at Schools is enforced during school leaving times yet in the UK we stupidly put speed limits there 24hrs a day even when on holiday. Perhaps a more flexible approach is needed for evenings etc say 10mph more permoitted?
Posted by: scooby and jess, huddersfield on 5:27pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Fixed speed cameras only stop people speeding for a few yards. There are hundreds here in West Yorkshire but people know where they are and just drive like lunatics between them. What we really need here is more traffic officers to pull up motorists who are speeding dangerously. There are times when it is safe to speed within reason like on a motorway in the middle of the night. But the fact is that if you are caught speeding you are breaking the law, so you have to pay the fine and accept the points. Only yourself to blame.
Fixed speed cameras only stop people speeding for a few yards. There are hundreds here in West Yorkshire but people know where they are and just drive like lunatics between them. What we really need here is more traffic officers to pull up motorists who are speeding dangerously. There are times when it is safe to speed within reason like on a motorway in the middle of the night. But the fact is that if you are caught speeding you are breaking the law, so you have to pay the fine and accept the points. Only yourself to blame.
Posted by: Peter, york on 5:46pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote]You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.
Thanks to the idiots in charge of this City it is very hard to get up to 30mph let alone break the speed limit.[/quote]
Your the fool why do idiots drive through Huntington at up to 60mph if it's impossible to do more than 30. The reason they do it is they think stand more chance of winning the lottery than getting caught, it;s about time the police took action
You Madame, are an absolute bloody fool.
Thanks to the idiots in charge of this City it is very hard to get up to 30mph let alone break the speed limit.
Your the fool why do idiots drive through Huntington at up to 60mph if it's impossible to do more than 30. The reason they do it is they think stand more chance of winning the lottery than getting caught, it;s about time the police took action
Posted by: Drop bear, York on 6:57pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Bet we don't see any mobile units at four in the morning when the chav wagons are trying to get airborne off the speed bumps down our road.
Bet we don't see any mobile units at four in the morning when the chav wagons are trying to get airborne off the speed bumps down our road.
Posted by: Drop bear, York on 6:57pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Bet we don't see any mobile units at four in the morning when the chav wagons are trying to get airborne off the speed bumps down our road.
Bet we don't see any mobile units at four in the morning when the chav wagons are trying to get airborne off the speed bumps down our road.
Posted by: Steve., York on 9:31pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Speaking as a car driver, motorcyclist and occasional cyclist, I have seen many of time it's not about speed limits or road conditions, the problem is a road users frame of mind.
You can be the best driver/rider in the world and nothing will stop that idiot changing the radio channel from smashing into you.
I couldn't dis-agree more with keeping fixed cams out of N Yorks, not because I'm a constant speeder or anything, but because the limits are a guideline and not set in stone. If it were up to me the roads would have higher limits in a lot of areas purely because York's trouble is too many vehicles going too slow. speed them up and rush hour is over quicker. Buses go a little faster when it's ok to do so and the queue behind is better off, being professional drivers they for one should have the common sense to determine when not to go at higher speeds, and it's not like they can go much slower on the whole.
As a side note, is there not road width bumps right outside Huntington junior? Living just outside huntington and using Huntington Road every other day(varying with haxby road)there is a couple of straights down the entire length of it and i've never rally seen anyone excessively speeding, some making progress maybe above set limit but as long as your cautious and dont take the micky why not? It's obvious that there isn't many bad rivers in York averagely or there'd be much more crashes reported. Fair enough there has unfortunately been a few recently but the limits have been set for years, the fact [bold]everyone[/bold] doesn't have trouble for whatever reason is enough indication the limits are adequate.
If I g down Malton Road at 6pm I'm going to be doing a speed that suits the conditions whether that is 20mph or 60, using the road at 10pm will be clearer and same rules apply, it comes down to police discretion but that's another story.
Speaking as a car driver, motorcyclist and occasional cyclist, I have seen many of time it's not about speed limits or road conditions, the problem is a road users frame of mind.
You can be the best driver/rider in the world and nothing will stop that idiot changing the radio channel from smashing into you.
I couldn't dis-agree more with keeping fixed cams out of N Yorks, not because I'm a constant speeder or anything, but because the limits are a guideline and not set in stone. If it were up to me the roads would have higher limits in a lot of areas purely because York's trouble is too many vehicles going too slow. speed them up and rush hour is over quicker. Buses go a little faster when it's ok to do so and the queue behind is better off, being professional drivers they for one should have the common sense to determine when not to go at higher speeds, and it's not like they can go much slower on the whole.
As a side note, is there not road width bumps right outside Huntington junior? Living just outside huntington and using Huntington Road every other day(varying with haxby road)there is a couple of straights down the entire length of it and i've never rally seen anyone excessively speeding, some making progress maybe above set limit but as long as your cautious and dont take the micky why not? It's obvious that there isn't many bad rivers in York averagely or there'd be much more crashes reported. Fair enough there has unfortunately been a few recently but the limits have been set for years, the fact
everyone doesn't have trouble for whatever reason is enough indication the limits are adequate.
If I g down Malton Road at 6pm I'm going to be doing a speed that suits the conditions whether that is 20mph or 60, using the road at 10pm will be clearer and same rules apply, it comes down to police discretion but that's another story.
Posted by: Steve., York on 9:42pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Peter, how do you know they are doing 60? Do you have a correctly calibrated reliable device as evidence showing this? You cannot tell what speed any vehicle is traveling at correctly from looking or listening. This is why we have cameras and speed guns.
ALD, please don't turn this into a carbon footprint related fiasco. That isn't
