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PEOPLE from a York homeless centre have been on a diving exercise, The Press can reveal today.

Customers from the Peasholme Centre recently took part in a taster diving session, which City of York Council says will help them develop their skills and move on to independent living and a job.

The authority, which operates the centre, confirmed that five customers took part in a half-day pool-based session on Monday, with the total cost of the exercise coming to £200.

A council spokeswoman said: "The diving session was used as a team-building exercise to develop residents' skills in trust, responsibility and communication.

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"Customers will use the skills they have learned during their stay at the centre, including through the diving taster, to move on to independent living, education and employment."

She said everyone who took part in the exercise had been instrumental in setting up a new "customer forum".

She said this gave homeless people who did not normally contribute to formal consultations the opportunity to have their say and help develop future services for the homeless in York.

"The work of the forum will be used to help form the council's new Homeless Strategy, which is due to be published in July 2008."

Senior councillors today questioned the organising of the diving trip, with one asking how many other "rewards" the authority had given out.

Coun David Scott, the leader of the authority's Labour opposition group, said: "I cannot see how doing this helps with the objectives that the council now says are the reasons for the diving session.

"As a society, we should protect the most vulnerable and seek to enable them to progress into independent living, education and employment.

"But that needs to be by having a co-ordinated approach, devising a programme and getting the right support from those that can best help.

"It is not the right approach just to spend money on trips' as a reward for taking part in a consultation exercise.

"There should be greater transparency in such events. I would like to know how many other rewards' have been given out throughout through the council."

Tory leader Ian Gillies said he was happy to support independent living and the developing of other skills, and had no problem in money being invested to help to achieve that aim.

But he said: "I would, however, question if other activities would have been more appropriate."

Coun Andy D'Agorne, leader of the Greens, welcomed efforts to involve homeless people in shaping council services, especially if it helped to increase their ability to contribute to society and work with hostel management on designing their own programme.

The council's leader, Coun Steve Galloway, declined to comment on the trip, saying he had no prior knowledge of it.

11:39am Monday 24th March 2008

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Posted by: Bemused on 12:06pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Customers from the Peasholme Centre recently took part in a taster diving session, which City of York Council says will help them develop their skills and move on to independent living and a job.

The authority, which operates the centre, confirmed that five customers took part in a half-day pool-based session on Monday, with the total cost of the exercise coming to £200.

A deplorable waste of public money which will achieve nothing. Where do the idiots get these stupid ideas from?
Posted by: Silver, York on 12:14pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Actually if you think about it £200 to give people something nice and help raise esteem as well get their opinions about local issues, I'd say thats not too bad. Plus giving people sometimes encourage them to give it back. But then again so many people have a go at the opportunity that everyone deserves a chance even those who have fallen through the cracks of society. After all not everyone knows what befell them to become homeless and it's usually a tragedy.
Posted by: smudge, York on 12:21pm Mon 24 Mar 08
At least they will get a bath so they smell better !!!
Posted by: Flash, York on 12:23pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Which pool was it ?? I wouldn't wanna swim in that again.
Posted by: Silver, York on 12:24pm Mon 24 Mar 08
smudge wrote:
At least they will get a bath so they smell better !!!
Yeh cos it's all their fault isn't it? After all some have mental problems and have been let down by the system. The younger ones get kicked out of their homes by parents who don't want them around. And when you don't have a home it suddenly becomes very hard to get anything. Very sympathetic
Posted by: Old Spice, York on 12:41pm Mon 24 Mar 08
A diving course will help them get a home and a job exactly how????
Posted by: Silver, York on 12:43pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Well they could always teach diving?
Posted by: Old Spice, York on 12:48pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Not on a half day session they couldn't!
Posted by: Silver, York on 12:56pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Well if they liked it, they could be spent on a special course to learn. Or it could just be for them to learn to trust and get on with the people working to help them.
Posted by: Bemused on 1:21pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Posted by: Silver, York on 12:56pm today
Well if they liked it, they could be spent on a special course to learn. Or it could just be for them to learn to trust and get on with the people working to help them.

What planet are you on? It's our bloody money you are wasting remember? No wonder our council tax goes up well over the inflation rate year on year.
Posted by: smudge, York on 1:31pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Silver wrote:
smudge wrote: At least they will get a bath so they smell better !!!
Yeh cos it's all their fault isn't it? After all some have mental problems and have been let down by the system. The younger ones get kicked out of their homes by parents who don't want them around. And when you don't have a home it suddenly becomes very hard to get anything. Very sympathetic
Yeh and most are not self disciplined and have gone down the drugs and drink route . Any body can do that but most people have a little more restraint .
Posted by: Mullarkian, York on 1:49pm Mon 24 Mar 08
They'd be better off with a bin diving lesson.
Posted by: lastword morris, Haxby Rd on 2:08pm Mon 24 Mar 08
I FULLY support the idea that the people mentioned would benefit from this exercise for team building, confidence etc. Some people go through vey hard times and can recover and start again...I wish them all the best HOWEVER not on public money. The centre could fundraise or ask for donations from well wishers or benefactors (I would chuck in a few quid for the cause) The council should have to publish every single expense and penny they spend of our money then maybe they would not throw it away and use it with no real regard for us poor zaps who supply them with it!!!
I do wish the homeless folk well and hope some of them can turn their lives around and rejoin the rat race!!
Posted by: momo, devon on 2:20pm Mon 24 Mar 08
smudge wrote:
Silver wrote:
smudge wrote: At least they will get a bath so they smell better !!!
Yeh cos it's all their fault isn't it? After all some have mental problems and have been let down by the system. The younger ones get kicked out of their homes by parents who don't want them around. And when you don't have a home it suddenly becomes very hard to get anything. Very sympathetic
Yeh and most are not self disciplined and have gone down the drugs and drink route . Any body can do that but most people have a little more restraint .
There but for the grace of god, go I.
Posted by: lastword morris, Haxby Rd on 2:26pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Alot of people find themselves in trouble and turmoil during their lives but an turn it around with help and support...I agree there are tehn the ones that choose booze and drugs and have no will to change or recover....Let's hope a few make it through and can live a normal, happy life....
Posted by: Silver, York on 2:33pm Mon 24 Mar 08
lastword morris wrote:
Alot of people find themselves in trouble and turmoil during their lives but an turn it around with help and support...I agree there are tehn the ones that choose booze and drugs and have no will to change or recover....Let's hope a few make it through and can live a normal, happy life....
And people treat them as people not just something they wipe their feet on
Posted by: Gardener, York on 2:41pm Mon 24 Mar 08
....did they have concrete boots?
Posted by: piaggio, holgate on 2:52pm Mon 24 Mar 08
who is this council spokeswoman?? why dont they give their names ?? its our poll tax money they is spending .
Posted by: piaggio, holgate on 2:52pm Mon 24 Mar 08
who is this council spokeswoman?? why dont they give their names ?? its our poll tax money they is spending .
Posted by: lastword morris, Haxby Rd on 2:59pm Mon 24 Mar 08
That is what I mean about people taking responsilbility for spending money and publishing every penny spent..what on..and WHO sanctioned it..
Posted by: TW, Wrong Planet on 3:00pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Why do they have to call them customers ? Customers purchase things
Posted by: redp, Huntington on 3:49pm Mon 24 Mar 08
I manage on a pension of less than 10K a year with no other benefits. I would love to learn to dive but the council tax bill of more than a thousand pounds rules out such luxurys.I have no problems will helping the homeless but this is just taking the p***.
Posted by: opinionated, Haxby on 4:34pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Spending public money to help the homeless is fair enough I guess, but treating them to a jolly in the local pool is ridiculous. They'd be better spending the money on smartening them up, or sending them to adult learning courses. It's not as if the press is full of vacancies for diving jobs is it??!!
Posted by: Zaphrentites, York on 4:55pm Mon 24 Mar 08
It is not often that I find myself agreeing with Dave "rent a quote" Scott but on this occasion he has got it spot on.
Posted by: Mister Sheen, Right round the house on 5:12pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Quick!

Chuck in the sheep dip!!!!!
Posted by: Old Spice, York on 5:28pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Spending public money to help the homeless is fair enough I guess, but treating them to a jolly in the local pool is ridiculous. They'd be better spending the money on smartening them up, or sending them to adult learning courses. It's not as if the press is full of vacancies for diving jobs is it??!!

100% agree!
Posted by: viper on 5:56pm Mon 24 Mar 08
"will help them develop their skills and move on to independent living and a job."

Ah, so you do need a license and a car to have a job then. Best stop pricing motorists off the roads and give them free parking as it seems we all need licences and cars.

What's wrong with public transport to get to work?... hahahahahahaha
Posted by: Bob Reid, York on 6:21pm Mon 24 Mar 08
I hope the universities in York are paying attention. If you want all of your students to "develop their skills and move on to independent living and a job" make sure that diving is on the curriculum!
Posted by: Brian, york on 7:13pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Who thinks up these ideas,I would imagine some of the homeless have had a really bad time,then someone from the council goes in and says any you guys fancy a diving lesson ,which pool did they use one of the councils own.Help with education and employment is fine, but diving.
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